or president obama for another four years. >> what, if it's over 150? >> i think if it's over 150, you're going to see him a whole lot for the week after that, talking about jobs and how he's creating jobs, yeah. >> um-hum. >> i know that doesn't make you happy. we can pile that on your unhappiness for the -- >> you're just saying either/or, you're not predicting what's going to happen with jobs, right? >> well i've seen as high as 130, as low as 100. i think it's a little too early to talk about it. i think it will be on the low side of that range, but that's why i think under 100 is bad and above 150 would be great. >> the bad numbers really haven't hurt him recently so i don't know if the good number -- i don't know at this point and what's the participation rate going to do? how are they going to play around with that this time, going under eight by the election? >> well, if participation continues to fall off, then yeah. >> right. >> unfortunately that's a pretty wonky, geeky conversation to have. >> doesn't matter if it's under eight, if he can cl